Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Shreni Dewani should take lie detector

If Shrien returns to South Africa and knowing the British system I cannot see this happening . The victims under British law seem to rarely have justice. The Dewanis are wealthy and in England money can buy you anything you want. Puppet Judges ,ready to bow to your bidding  if the price is right. It has become clear South Africa , inflamed by British media reporting and from the comments that should never have been made by Shriens 'hot shot' lawyer.

Here are comments and thoughts from South Africa. A lie detector seems to be the solution for some, although agreed it can only tell if you are 'deceptive' in your answers. I think Shrien has already proved deception. Maybe this is what he fears the most.  His brother Preyen , doing all the talking for him but he cannot take a lie detector on his brothers behalf and Shrien cannot 'cry' each time a question is asked as a ploy to not reply.

5151 Lil Zet  [ Friday, December 10, 2010 | 2:14:55 PM ]
I am only saying Shrien should come back to be questioned in SA, why is running away from that? That to me its alone fishy. Your wife is murdered you will be the first one to come and give evidence, not to mention accompany his family. He should be sitting next to Anni's father in the court if he really felt this was all a lie. There is more to it then meets the eye. He has made us to feel suspicious, and that we are. His comments that if he comes to SA to testify, he will just cry, I then made my conclussions. Let the SA police find this guy and lock him in SA.
5062 priya maharaj  [ Tuesday, December 07, 2010 | 4:44:09 PM ]
S Dewani must be under alot of pressure from SA harasment, may be theres political pressure like his brother Preyen says, its rather difficult to believe Shrien did this, This is just a hi jacking gone bad, ya ya shriens story doesnt add up neither does the polices in their daily activities. WHY WOULD SHRIEN MURDER HIS WIFE IT SIMPLY DEFIES LOGIC
5061 RAHUL maharaj  [ Tuesday, December 07, 2010 | 4:39:01 PM ]
Dewani is innocent to my view. i agree with Stela he should do a lie detector test but only to prove he is innocent
5060 ARSHALIYIA maharaj  [ Tuesday, December 07, 2010 | 4:36:50 PM ]
4998 Tracey Babb  [ Thursday, December 02, 2010 | 5:43:17 PM ]
In similar circumstances "thieves" would have to kill my husband before he left me, not so much because of his undying love for me, but because his male pride and natural protectiveness woud not allow it. Shiren's lack of any marks to indicate a scuffle took place seems odd.
4901 Stella Mcdonald  [ Monday, November 29, 2010 | 5:33:47 AM ]
Get Shrien to do the lie detector test... Why doesn't he do a live video interview so we can see his guilty face?
4898 Nadine Cape  [ Sunday, November 28, 2010 | 6:15:16 PM ]
A further thing that has worried me is why would Shrien drive to the Strand and have dinner? Why not Camps Bay. In my opinion there is nothing nice or romantic about the Strand, it is below average. What about a wine farm, why the Strand. If the man has so much money why the Strand? You couldn't see the whole of Cape Town in just 45 minutes, why drive to Somerset West. Yes it was a beautiful night, but why not stroll down Camps Bay beach?
4897 Nadine Cape  [ Sunday, November 28, 2010 | 6:01:04 PM ]
I now read on mail on line the first guy who Shrien spoke to after the hijacking, was a guy who was parking his car. He asked questions while alerting the police of the hijacking. Shriens first version of events is that he was KICKED out of the car. In early reports he states he was thrown from the car, pushed from the car and now dragged from the car. This chap who was the first person to see Shrien after the hijacking said he was not scuffed up but smarlty dressed and did not look like he had been in a scuffle! The plot thickens!First reports I read he was thrown/ pushed from the moving car. Now I read the car had come to a stop and now he was being dragged from the car.I further read on mail on line is the police questioned him if he knew the number plate of the hijacked car, he tried to phone overseas to get the registration of the car meaning the car had been hired by his family. The plot really does thicken!
4800 Dave Smith  [ Monday, November 22, 2010 | 11:58:24 AM ]
Mr Dewani is now in a precarious position which is what my gut is telling me. If he returns to SA, he knows he runs the possibility of being found out. However if refuses to return, then he clearly has something to hide, if he is not overcome by grief. As someone previously commented, his recent rhetoric is not indicative of someone who has lost their wife, he even seems casual about the event. Whoever the culprit is, the net is closing, and faster by the day.....
4796 Stella Mcdonald  [ Monday, November 22, 2010 | 3:33:40 AM ]
Srien should do a lie detector test. truth will come out.
4795 Stella Mcdonald  [ Monday, November 22, 2010 | 3:32:07 AM ]
I think this murder was all planned by Shrien for a big payout from the Insurance company. The insurance companies in UK should be alerted to this and police should investigate. I have never met Anni but am deeply saddened and am very upset by her murder. RIP beautiful Annie.
4790 Themba S Kotswana  [ Sunday, November 21, 2010 | 5:46:44 PM ]
@4768I was born and grew up in Gugulethu.

I know for a fact that people within miles of Gugulethu know very little of Gugulethu other than what they read from the media. So, your proximity means nothing. If the police considered this a hit, they would not have released the husband. Releasing the husband and saying he is not a suspect makes it hard to believe that they consider this a hit.

What is odd, however, is the sequence of events and the running to the media by Shrien. Why hire a company that is not linked to the hotel, and use a driver who was not working for his company at the time? Surely, any tourist would be advised to listen to their hotel on matters of security.

They had supper in Somerset West, and for some reason, 30 minutes later they were hungry again and decided to check out the nightlife in Gugulethu (not Waterfront close to their hotel because it was stale and boring)Anni was not raped and this has been made clear, the car was recovered and two eyewitnesses released.

I do not have to be a criminal to see this as odd
4785 Penelope pitpots  [ Sunday, November 21, 2010 | 2:01:52 PM ]
So the driver has gone into hiding after pointing out the killers houses, a witness has said her panties were around her ankles and her dress pulled up, seems that rape was involved or at least tried and the driver was in on it, if the husband didn't order the hit, maybe a relative did as he has two partners in the failing business, who would benefit. So the husband is on his way back to identify the persons involved, all really strange. I'm still going to Cape Town for my hols In February, but might avoid Bristol!!
4780 Sadhna Gopi  [ Sunday, November 21, 2010 | 10:39:01 AM ]
What is the maximum that you can take on travel insurance? Her hubby would definitely have been the beneficiary.
4776 Dave Smith  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 9:31:28 PM ]
Here in the UK in 2006, there was a similar case in the story of Nisha Patel , a business owner and part time police woman. She was stabbed to death in her own house by an unknown intruder. Naturally the husband, who was having an affair with a prostitute at the time, ( or getting his leg over ) was pleading to the UK press in the aftermath of her death, to find her killers. What transpired in the subsequent investigation was that the husband had paid a nightclub bouncer to stab his wife so he could claim not only the life insurance on his wife, the house they lived in too. Why ? To pay off debts incurred by his struggling limousine business and to set up house with his new lover.The husband needs to be questioned, especially if the insurance company decides to pay out on her life insurance. It beggars belief the SA police let the husband go without questioning.However we must not deviate from the fact a beautiful young lady has lost her life in the most brutal of circumstances. RIP Sister.
4773 FromEngland London UK  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 8:56:16 PM ]
4768 FROM SA CAPE TOWN Thank you for your post.
4772 Ron Potter  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 8:54:38 PM ]
I agree with 4768 FROM SA CAPE TOWN...RIP ANNIE
4771 ron potter  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 8:52:33 PM ]
I know husband and I cannot believe these comments, people or so thoughless with there words, WHY WOULD HE ORDER A HIT ON HIS WIFE? THEY got married 2 weeks before! PLEASE be more considerate...some posts are outrages with their claims. Heartless. I understand freedom of speach, but after reading these comments the pain hurts more, RIP Anni
4768 FROM SA CAPE TOWN  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 8:46:04 PM ]
Being a resident of SA and living in the Cape only a few kilometres from the place they found Anni's body, I can tell you that in my opinion, this probably was a car jacking gone wrong. I highly doubt this was a contrived murder. I have lived in SA all my life and these kinds of crime happen all the time here. Most of the time, murder happens buts its not planned. My take is that they high jacked the car, and threw the driver out because they really did want the car. After getting rid of the driver they realised that there were two people in the back seat. So they drove around with them wondering what to do now. They noticed the lady, decided to rape her, but needed to get rid of the husband first, hence throwing Shrien out of the car. They drove off with her and probably tried(or did in fact ) rape her. She put up a fight and they killed her. Panic ensued and they abandoned the car and the body because by now they realised that the hubby probably has called the police. In their haste they left evidence, i.e. fingerprints. I wouldnt attribute too much to this crime. The police are making it out to be a planned hit because they want to save face, and continue to make people believe that SA townships are safe. Rubbish!!. Its just another one of those common crimes that happen everyday here, only this time it happened to be a tourist on honeymoon.
4767 Sadhna Gopi  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 8:41:02 PM ]
OMW, keep us updated. Indians have just celebrated in style, 150 years of in Indians in SA, it would be a shame if he did it.
4764 FromEngland London  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 7:10:40 PM ]
Armchair detectives or not. Why come on to a comments section of a newspaper and complain when people comment? We are invited by the newspaper to comment. There is something not right. The drive back from a restaurant in Somerset-West at 10pm or 11pm and visiting Mzoli's! The comment "there is nothing I could do differently". Well you might wish you had not taken your wife to a township late at night when Mzoli's was not even open and the township was in pitch darkness. Maybe it was rank stupidity, it happens but many many people felt immediately that there was something missing from story.
4763 SA Angry! Sifane  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 6:43:27 PM ]
If the insinuations turn out to be true, I think the most important debate going forward for us South African should be Why would somebody choose SA of all the countries in the world to come and commit such a crime? All the way from the UK. Its valid reason to give us sleepless nights!!! Its a worrying development!!!
4758 Pan Morj  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 5:36:16 PM ]
I read a story in my nursery days. There were 10 blind men who were taken to an elephant and they all touched the elephant and gave their opinion about the shape of elephant. Some said it is like a rope some said it is like a hollow tube some said it is like a pillar, After reading all these comments from expert detectives i believe in that story,Well done self appointed armchair detectives.
4757 Hunter Sam  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 4:21:10 PM ]
Consider the facts: The vehicle was hijacked at gunpoint, only minutes after leaving a major highway, the driver kicked out (which is normal) but the back-seat occupants kidnapped (abnormal); why, what is the motive ? a) The value of the car. b) the value of the couple's possessions. c) The value of cash and goods they might have elsewhere. d) sexual assault. e) murder. f) assassination.(a b): Stealing the car and possessions did not require any further involvement from the couple.(c) Highjack victims can be taken home and tortured into opening safes etc, Since they were hotel guests this is not an option. d) Men are not entirely imune to sexual assault in these situations. e) Why stop at one death? Killers know that a dead witness can't testify.f) A pro would have torched the vehicle. Physical evidence trumps a witness statement every time.Principal motive therefore: Robbery, possibly with the collusion of the driver. The leniance shown to the husband is atypical of tik-abuse. The murder in this case was not planned but deemed essential once the sexual assault became the secondary motivation.A hit could only be considered if the husband stood to gain financially from his wife's death.
4756 Rashree Govender  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 4:05:56 PM ]
There is no doubt in my mind that Shrien organised a hit on his wife. my condolences to her family. My husband was murdered and they dumped his body and took the car. Shrien took advantage of the fact that South Africa is a haven for criminals, and we have corrupt policemen and put his plan into action thinking he can get way with his crime. I hope he feels the fullest strenght of the law as he has further tarnished the image of South Africa.
4755 James UK  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 3:27:06 PM ]
If there is a payout due as a result of the wife's murder through an insurance payout then the british police will be first to investigate the husbands family if the insurance company doesn't do it first.Expecting the south african police to find anything is a far fetched dream as the country has been allowed to slip into a crap hole with the authorities being able to do NOTHING. Life seems to be cheap in S.A as is the case with the rest of Africa.Expecting to find logic in a murder when so many murders take place in south africa would be quite funny had the story not been so tragic.The real story could be as simple as them taking her with the intention to rape her as they do so many women in South Africa, she puts up a fight and they decide to kill her and run. Can't do much with a car that has a victims blood all over it, they shot her in the neck so you can imagine how much blood there would have been.
4754 Lauren RSA  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 3:19:47 PM ]
The husband has been pretty relaxed about the whole thing. His comments are not what i'd expect from a guy who's wife has just been murdered.i say something is fishy
4753 Micahe Casj  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 2:42:13 PM ]
Some facts for the armchair detectives : A lot probably does not make sense as you are making the mistake of trying to find logic and reason in the criminals actions.In South Africa in Gugulethu and other areas there is a lot of "tik" - it is an amphetamine drug that makes people high, wired, twitchy, impulsive, mad really. So dont look for them to be acting with any sense. Give the husband a break until there is more proof. Compare this case with the Brett Goldin / Richard Bloom murder here a few years ago and you might see some similarities.
4751 FromEngland London UK  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 1:54:53 PM ]
@Joan Soap"@FromEngland LondonUKYou're the typical know-it -all armchair overseas 'expert' those of us living in South Africa cannot stand. You obviously have more insight into the case than the police, so why dont you share your 'expertise' with them? Even a blind man can with a very limited IQ can see there's more to this than meets the eye.Habib, I reckon you've hit the nail right on the head!"And you are a know all armchair expert and have gone right ahead and speculated along with the rest of us. Facts. I lived and worked in South Africa for ten yearsand I am well aware of what the crime situation is and the type of South African who cannot be honest and goes on the attack. There are around 600 murders in England and Wales per year with a larger population than S.A., that has recorded of at least 18,000 murders and many rapes. I pass through Brixton to visit my parents and have no fear of being attacked. Just passed through there this morning and with a passenger marvelled at all the beautiful houses. South Africa is a wonderful country that is blighted by serious crime and you know what? The UK is full of South Africans.Stop denying and do something!!
4750 Enkay Chibhora  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 12:41:16 PM ]
I can never agree with you more. To me it really does not make any sense why the driver did not make any report to the police. Shrien told the newspapers and the the police that he was thrown from the vehicle while it was moving but he had no scratch on his body. He said he landed on sand, how rediculous.
4748 pan Morj  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 12:25:33 PM ]
What has this murder got to do about his firm in debt? all business are facing recession at present and he may have other business as well, This tragic thing will not help any situation in business and both parties were well off..British paper Sun is only good at peeling womens clothes and showing on page 3. Also not everything goes by the book and if the murderer may be novice who never did this sort of thing before but in panic they could have done it or their motive might have been different but could not succeed ie rape !!! It is no good just speculating. Leave it to detective and professionals and feel sorry for the Girls Parents and relatives.RIP
4747 France Manhoyi  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 11:44:11 AM ]
Surely the is more to come. My take is that the primary motive may have been robbery, but as it is the case these days, If you are a woman, you are not fully robbed until you are raped or at least threatened with rape in the process. It is one of their criminals scariest weapons, but once used, there is now greater need to eliminate the victim. This may have been the case especially given the fact that she would unlikely have been a cooperating victim. As for dumping the car, this may have been triggerd by fear that they had to get ou of the sceane immediately, suspicios/ or tipped off that they are being followed or time . the biggest suspect is the driver, who I think may be part of the gang.
4746 Joan Soap  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 11:37:06 AM ]
@FromEngland LondonUKYou're the typical know-it -all armchair overseas 'expert' those of us living in South Africa cannot stand. You obviously have more insight into the case than the police, so why dont you share your 'expertise' with them? Even a blind man can with a very limited IQ can see there's more to this than meets the eye.Habib, I reckon you've hit the nail right on the head!
4745 FromEngland LondonUK  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 11:07:04 AM ]
Anni was undoubtedly sexually assaulted. For such a beautiful woman to be in the hands of criminals it was inevitable. That said, there is something fishy about this tale and I am glad the SA police are investigating it the way they are. By the way, you are unlikely to be murdered in Brixton UK day or night.
4744 Habib Hussain  [ Saturday, November 20, 2010 | 11:06:41 AM ]
just arrest the husband already!!!